In general, normal idle for a DSM is 750 RPM. However, due to specifications for various components, an idle of 700-825 RPM displayed on your tachometer can be considered normal (in the absence of other symptoms). This specification applies to a fully warmed vehicle with all electrical accessories switched off (except Canadian vehicles, which have DRLs).
The car will have a higher idle under certain circumstances:
Note:
1G owners can expect 1.8L engines to idle at 800 RPM, while 2.0L (non-turbo and turbo) idle at 750 RPM. With the air conditioning on, automatics will drop to 650 RPM, while manuals will rise to 850 RPM.
2Gers will get 800 RPM out of their non-turbos, and 750 RPM from the 2.0 turbo and 2.4L engines. Again, this will rise to 850 RPM with the air conditioning on.
If your car does not idle exactly at these levels, or changes its idle slightly, occasionally or while driving, don't freak out. Few cars idle at precisely the designed level, owing to variations in climate and engine components. All of the above levels are rated at plus or minus 100 RPM, and the car will sometimes adjust the idle acording to driving conditions. If you don't have a problem with the car, leave the idle alone.
Some DSMers have problems with an unstable idle, or with their car being unable to maintain idle when coming to a stop. The first problem is a symptom of a badly set base idle, while the second in an indication of a broken speed sensor. Those with idle surge problems go here; those with cars that die at stoplights go here.
Last Updated:
2016-11-23 06:58
Many. Read Michael Stegbauer's Idle page. Brad Baur has an excellent idle surge VFAQ up. Also read the answer to "How do I adjust the idle on a [DSM]" in this FAQ.
If this process doesn't work, you are in the minority. Try looking for something basic, such as
High idle can also be caused by a throttle cable or cruise control cables that are too tight.
Some troubleshooting tips: if your idle adjusts when your A/C compressor is on, or when all of the electrical accessories are on, the ISC is at least partially working. If your idle appears to fluctuate with temperature, suspect an air leak in a vacuum hose or at the air intake first.
If you need to check the ISC, do it when it is hot. The ISC resistance can sometimes change when it has cooled down. Thus, the ISC looks ok when checked, but misbehaves when actually operating. The same holds true for cables since they can tighten up during operation.
The Last Word: With the age of these cars, cracked hoses, hardened gaskets and broken seals are going to be very common. The throttle body shaft seals can leak air, for one example. It's the nature of an older car.
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| Manufacturer Part Number |
Port/Vol Int/Exh |
Valve Size Int/Exh | Combust. Chamber Vol | .100 | .150 | .200 | .250 | .300 | .350 | .400 | .450 | .500 | .550 | .600 | Average | |
| Eclipse SOHC | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 240/125 | - | - | - | |
| Eclipse SOHC CNC M2 Race Systems | N/A | 35.25mm/ 25.7mm 3.575 |
N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 275/195 | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 Gen I | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | - | - | - | 229/187 | 237/188 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 Gen I '89-94 CNC M2 Race Systems | N/A | 35mm/ 30.5mm 3.575 |
N/A | - | - | - | - | 251/202 | - | 283/240 | 284/249 | - | 286/260 | - | - | |
| 4G63 Alaniz Cyl Heads | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 77/75 | 117/117 | 154/151 | 187/174 | 206/189 | 216/197 | 220/199 | 221/200 | 223/202 | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 Ported Level 4 Polk | N/A | 35mm/- | N/A | 106/- | 161/- | 188/- | 241/- | 270/- | 298/- | 309/- | 320/- | 334/- | 346/- | 357/- | - | |
| 4G63 AMS SF600 | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 81/67 | 119/105 | 153/138 | 183/173 | 201/192 | 209/203 | 211/208 | 205/209 | 206/211 | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 Ported AMS SF600 | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 107/88 | 151/134 | 189/193 | 222/229 | 244/245 | 258/249 | 269/255 | 274/261 | 277/265 | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 1G Ported Fox Lake SF600 | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | 280/- | 289/- | 291/- | - | - | - | |
| 4G63 2G Ported Fox Lake SF600 | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | 272- | 281/- | 287/- | - | - | - | |
| 1G | N/A | 34mm/30.5mm | N/A | 78/84 | - | 150/170 | - | 204/205 | 218/206 | 225/- | - | - | - | - | - | |
| 1G Mild Port | N/A | - | N/A | 83/- | - | 157/- | - | 222/- | 235/- | 244/- | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Manufacturer Part Number |
Port/Vol Int/Exh |
Valve Size Int/Exh | Combust. Chamber Vol | .100 | .150 | .200 | .250 | .300 | .350 | .400 | .450 | .500 | .550 | .600 | Average | |
| 1G Ported | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | 275/- | - | - | - | - | - | |
| 1G Ported Mike +1mm valves | N/A | 35mm/31.5mm | N/A | 87/78 | - | 169/166 | - | 230/208 | - | 257/227 | - | 270/239 | - | - | - | |
| 2G | N/A | 34mm/30.5mm 3.37 No Pipe |
N/A | 80/73 | - | 155/146 | - | 211/181 | - | 227/183 | 229/183 | - | - | - | - | |
| 2G Ported | N/A | - 3.37 No Pipe |
N/A | 91/73 | - | 173/147 | - | 226/210 | - | 254/234 | 269/240 | - | - | - | - | |
| EVO 4G63 CHW Alum | N/A | 34mm/30.5mm - No Pipe |
43.3 | 74/75 | - | 147/142 | - | 195/176 | - | 200/179 | - | 196/182 | - | 198/181 | - | |
| EVO 4G63 Ported CHW Alum | N/A | 35mm/31.5mm - No Pipe |
45 | 87/85 | - | 164/159 | - | 215/211 | - | 239/227 | - | 246/229 | - | 252/231 | - | |
| EVO Ported Fox Lake SF600 | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | 265- | 276/- | 280/- | - | - | - | |
| EVO 1 Sabre Heads JS | N/A | 34mm/30.5mm | N/A | 80/72 | 122/120 | 161/163 | 197/189 | 225/198 | 238/202 | 246/205 | 251/205 | 252/205 | - | - | - | |
| EVO 1 Ported Sabre Heads SF110 | N/A | 34mm/31.5mm | N/A | 78/79 | 118/132 | 159/172 | 197/194 | 225/207 | 240/219 | 251/224 | 257/227 | 261/231 | - | - | - | |
| EVO 4G63 Cosworth | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 282/257 | - | - | - | |
| EVO 4G63 Ported Cosworth | N/A | - | N/A | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 335/282 | - | - | - | |
| EVO 8 4G63 David B | N/A | 34mm/30.5mm | N/A | - | 177/135 | - | 221/197 | - | 224/218 | - | 228/218 | - | - | - | - | |
| Manufacturer Part Number |
Port/Vol Int/Exh |
Valve Size Int/Exh | Combust. Chamber Vol | .100 | .150 | .200 | .250 | .300 | .350 | .400 | .450 | .500 | .550 | .600 | Average | |
| EVO 9 Kelford Cams | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 81/70 | 122/110 | 158/142 | 188/162 | 211/175 | 225/186 | 236/192 | 239/196 | - | - | - | - | |
| EVO 9 Mild Port Kelford Cams +1mm valves | N/A | 35mm/ 31.5mm | N/A | 89/81 | 131/121 | 169/160 | 200/179 | 227/193 | 245/204 | 257/213 | 266/221 | - | - | - | - | |
| EVO 9 CNC Heads UK | N/A | 1.377/1.24 100mm Pipe |
N/A | 77/72 | 115/- | 154/161 | 188/- | 211/202 | 219/- | 222/219 | 226/- | 227/226 | - | - | - | |
| EVO 9 Ported CNC Heads UK | N/A | 1.377/1.24 100mm Pipe |
N/A | 89/85 | 133/- | 177/186 | 213/- | 240/239 | 263/- | 278/271 | 286/- | 291/294 | - | - | - | |
| EVO IX Ported AMS +1mm valves SF600 | N/A | 35mm/ 31.5mm | N/A | 107/88 | 151/134 | 189/193 | 222/229 | 244/245 | 258/249 | 269/255 | 274/261 | 277/265 | - | - | - | |
| EVO X AMS SF600 | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 101/74 | 147/128 | 186/157 | 216/161 | 235/183 | 252/186 | 266/189 | 275/191 | 280/193 | - | - | - | |
| EVO X Ported AMS | N/A | - | N/A | 97/86 | 139/141 | 183/199 | 225/226 | 251/233 | 274/235 | 293/238 | 305/239 | 315/240 | - | - | - | |
| EVO X 4B11 David B | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | - | 141/142 | - | 202/197 | - | 242/212 | - | 256/219 | - | - | - | - | |
| EVO X 4B11 | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 85/71 | 131/121 | 173/154 | 208/170 | 231/177 | 250/181 | 265/183 | 273/185 | 277/187 | - | - | - | |
| EVO X 4B11 Mild Ported Kelford Cams | N/A | 34mm/ 30.5mm | N/A | 86/80 | 131/127 | 173/157 | 209/178 | 235/189 | 256/194 | 272/197 | 283/198 | 292/200 | - | - | - | |
| G54B Ported Marnal | N/A | 1.80/1.50 | N/A | 58/51 | - | 114/91 | - | 170/118 | - | 211/141 | - | 223/155 | - | 229/160 | - | |
| NT PPE LLC | N/A | - | N/A | 84/73 | - | 169/156 | - | 220/185 | - | 233/191 | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Manufacturer Part Number |
Port/Vol Int/Exh |
Valve Size Int/Exh | Combust. Chamber Vol | .100 | .150 | .200 | .250 | .300 | .350 | .400 | .450 | .500 | .550 | .600 | Average | |
| NT Port PPE LLC | N/A | - | N/A | 91/96 | - | 175/183 | - | 242/211 | - | 260/219 | - | - | - | - | - | |
| TT | N/A | - | N/A | 86-93/77-80 | - | 165-179/151-164 | - | 223-230/191-200 | - | 246-262/195-216 | - | 249-256/196-219 | - | - | - | |
| VR4 | N/A | - | N/A | 95/98 | - | 174/168 | - | 226/201 | 240/209 | 249/212 | - | - | - | - | - | |
Last Updated:
2013-02-07 08:14
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